Phil Klay joins us on the podcast to talk about his essay, “Tales of War and Redemption,” in our Winter issue. It’s an essay that starts on a humorous note, describing the horrible, ridiculously gory deaths of the Christian saints in The Big Book of Martyrs—a comic book for kids. And then he reminds you that he’s been in war, and he’s seen horrible deaths, and horrible suffering. What follows is a beautiful, moving look at suffering, not as sacrifice or cynical constant, but as a reminder of its inverse: joy, of a life lived, or one snuffed out.
Go beyond the episode:
- Phil Klay’s “Tales of War and Redemption”
- Photos from his own deployment, released while he was a public affairs officer serving in Iraq
- Want more joy? Read Christian Wiman’s essay, “Still Wilderness,” a meditation on a feeling (and poetry, and faith, and …)
Phil Klay’s recommendations of writers to read after listening:
- Aleksandar Hemon’s “The Aquarium,” on the death of a child, “is from a firmly non-religious place, but it’s a brilliant and really powerful essay.”
- Friedrich Schleiermacher’s “Sermon at Nathanael’s Grave” was given at the grave of the theologian’s nine-year-old son in 1929.
- Karl Marlantes, a Vietnam War veteran and the author of Matterhorn and What It Is Like to Go to War, “argues that combat experience is inescapably spiritual.”
- Shūsaku Endō’s “body of work is constantly probing questions of suffering and faith,” particularly in the novel Silence.
- Georges Bernanos’s Diary of a Country Priest has “a wonderful moment where this soldier comes back. His experience in war has radically transformed his relationship, not simply to war, but to the society he comes from—and his sense of whether it’s a just society or not.”
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